Maintaining Object Positions with Constraints

Daniel, I've railed at Hash for such things but grown discouraged. If this is the "bug" I have seen before, then it would seem good that all the fellows apply pressure to get it fixed. But I'm not clear if what you describe is the same thing I have seen in 8.5, 10.5 and 11.1 It sounds like it but I don't understand your directions. Let me show you where I get confused. 1. Position the characters hand in the grab position right where you want the object to become a part of the hand (move and rotate with it). 2. Translate and Rotate Like constrain the object to the characters hand (do not constrain to the hand target). This most likely throws your object off. Easy fix. You did not say if you used or did not use compensate mode. I assume you did since that is the standard way to do this. But this is where my mug would fly across the screen to 0,0,0 or some such. 3. Here's the "secret" that I discovered. Stay on that frame where the constraints' enforcements are 100% and drop it down to 0%. But the mug is in the wrong place. It jumped away when you tried to apply the second constraint. At least, that is what I remember in this situation. Maybe you are saying the zero enforcement will bring it back to the right position? 4. Click the mug (or whatever object) and click Compensate Mode button (between Show Rulers and Magnet Mode buttons). So, did you move it back to the right place? or is the trick that you turn off the contraints to get it back and then create keys and turn them back on. How come this doesn't work to just create keys before you constain? If I'm right about what you are saying, then it would have been more clear to me if you had said: First set the contraints using compensate mode, If the object moves, temporary set enable to zero, the object will return to proper position. Set translate and rotate keys there, and return the contraints to 100% enable. Then the constrains should perform as you wish. I'm still not sure I understand what you said. But if this is the solution, then I am VERY grateful. In the past, I have had to apply a third constraint to get the first two to work. John